Welcome
(16:50:19) Marianne Steadley : That's not good. Are things OK?
(16:50:27) Tom Peters : Hi, Everyone.
(16:50:45) Tom Peters : I hear Madra moving around
(16:51:03) Cindy : I hear you.
(16:51:03) Scott Nicholson : Yup
(16:51:03) gilok : yes
(16:51:04) Marianne Steadley : yes
(16:51:04) AbbeyZenith : I hear you 
(16:51:08) Tom Peters : great
(16:51:09) valibrarian : Yes, Tom
(16:51:10) Scott Nicholson : 
(16:51:12) Chodron : y 
(16:51:20) Madra : y
(16:51:41) Tom Peters : okay, great. I hear you loud and clear.
(16:51:51) Marianne Steadley : freat
(16:52:01) Marianne Steadley : great the other freat
(16:52:12) Marianne Steadley : can we post the agenda?
(16:52:22) nahl : I don't hear any sound, using a Mac 
(16:52:27) Tom Peters : LOL, trying to figure out what "freat" means...some local CU dialect.
(16:52:47) Marianne Steadley : sorry diane
(16:53:02) Scott Nicholson : I ended up booting my Mac as a PC so I could particpate. It's not happy with me now.
(16:53:13) Lori has entered the room.
(16:53:17) Marianne Steadley : but it works?
(16:53:22) Madra : ok will use Madra's machine
(16:53:40) Madra : Adra will use Madra's machine that is
(16:54:06) Marianne Steadley : Diane - do you want to try that?
(16:54:17) lbowler has entered the room.
(16:54:21) Research Park Library : Wow, that was loud *turns down volume*. Hearing just fine. 
(16:54:22) Madra : Marianne I don't think I can do that...
(16:54:30) Madra : Madra is Diane/Adra
(16:54:43) Professor Humby : no sound
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(16:55:10) Tom Peters : Just a sec, Marianne. I'll load the agenda.
(16:55:22) Marianne Steadley : can't hear lbowler
(16:55:24) Vienna James has entered the room.
(16:55:30) Marianne Steadley : heard that
(16:55:33) Madra : I hear someone
(16:55:35) Tom Peters : Hi, I hear you Prof. Humby
(16:55:45) Professor Humby : Humby here, tried to talk. Thank you, Tom
(16:55:48) Madra : yes
(16:55:48) Professor Humby : yes
(16:55:48) Marianne Steadley : yes
(16:55:52) Tom Peters : yes, lbowler
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(16:56:03) Tom Peters : remember to let up on your control key
(16:56:14) Scott Nicholson : yes, in fact, you can turn your mic voume down a little bit -
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(16:57:20) valibrarian : Just checking my raised hand. 
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(16:57:32) Madra : how'd you do that Val?
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(16:57:46) valibrarian : Press the control key to raise your hand. Then press again to lower it. 
(16:57:55) Madra : k thx
(16:58:10) Lorri : is somebody speaking? I don't hear anything
(16:58:15) Madra : not yet
(16:58:17) Professor Humby : ctrl turns on my mic
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(16:58:27) Professor Humby : is there another way to raise hand?
(16:58:40) Rhonda has entered the room.
(16:58:53) lbowler : Just testing
(16:58:55) Madra : don't hear chaoh
(16:58:59) Marianne Steadley : can't hear chaoh
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(16:59:02) Chodron : Some of these capabilities might not be available for Mac users. 
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(16:59:21) Professor Humby : 
(16:59:28) Marianne Steadley : can everyone hear someone?
(16:59:31) Lorri : no
(16:59:34) lbowler : No
(16:59:34) Vienna James : I can't
(16:59:36) Madra : not presently
(16:59:37) Lori : http://groups.google.com/group/liseducatorsvirtualworlds?hl=en
(16:59:37) Doug Dechow : Is there a description somewhat of what is available for Mac folks? 
(16:59:38) Vienna James : but I did earlier
(16:59:38) valibrarian : I hear nothing now.
(16:59:38) Rhonda : I can't
(16:59:40) Professor Humby : no
(16:59:41) Marianne Steadley : so you can't hear anyone?
(16:59:44) Galia : I see no icons for raising hand or anything else 
(16:59:47) Madra : no
(16:59:47) Lori : You can join the google group for LIS Educators in Virtual worlds
(16:59:53) Lori : if you would like an invite, please im me 
(16:59:55) Doug Dechow : Me either. 
(16:59:56) Professor Humby : no icons for me either
(16:59:58) Galia : and I can'r hear 
(17:00:00) lbowler : No sound
(17:00:07) Vienna James : May I have an invite Lori?
(17:00:08) Vienna James : ty
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(17:00:12) Chodron : That's right, Mac folks can type text and see who is present. 
(17:00:29) Professor Humby : no sound for me
(17:00:32) Rhonda : I am on a PC and have the same issues as the Mac folks
(17:00:39) Tom Peters : okay
(17:00:44) Professor Humby : heard that
(17:00:47) Vienna James : me too
(17:00:49) Rhonda : so did i
(17:00:49) Lorri : me too
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(17:00:54) lbowler : Didn't hear
(17:00:54) Madra : heard that
(17:00:59) Professor Humby : where is the hand raising icon?
(17:01:02) Tracy Ruppman : Yes, I hear
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(17:01:06) valibrarian : I hear you.
(17:01:07) Lorri : y
(17:01:09) Professor Humby : i hear you
(17:01:10) Deborah : I hear
(17:01:11) Madra : y
(17:01:12) Ilene Frank : No sound for me 
(17:01:39) Professor Humby : clicking my name does nothing for my hand?
(17:01:56) Lorri : Ilene and Lbowler, slide your sidebar all the way to the right for the speaker icon
(17:02:07) Galia : My name is not on the list. Do I need an invitation? 
(17:02:14) Marianne Steadley : oops I meant click on the little speaker at the bottom not on your name
(17:02:23) Tracy Ruppman : Galia, I see your name
(17:02:24) lbowler : I heard you
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(17:02:26) Ilene Frank : Everything's up as far as it'll go. No luck. 
(17:02:28) Tracy Ruppman : but it has a (w) after it
(17:02:29) Lorri : Also under File there is a Speaker setting
(17:02:40) Tom Peters : Galia's coming in through the web interface.
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(17:02:49) Tom Peters : Okay, I think we're ready, Marianne.
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(17:03:25) Marianne Steadley : one more time: when someone else is speaking if you clikc on the little mik not speaker and someone else is speaking your hand will go up.
(17:03:42) Deborah has left the room.
(17:04:06) Tom Peters : I like SLLISED!
(17:04:17) Tom Peters : Slice and dice
(17:04:21) Rhonda : me too
(17:04:39) Galia : I see my name but still have no sound. May be a firewall problem 
(17:04:48) Tom Peters : Galia, yes, it may be.
(17:04:58) Tom Peters : Are you getting sound from your computer using other apps?
(17:05:00) Scott Nicholson : I would suggest replacing SL with something related to virtual worlds. SL will not be around an d people will want to use other tools
(17:05:01) Ilene Frank has entered the room.
(17:05:14) Tom Peters : Scott, good point.
(17:05:15) Galia : Yes, but not SL 
(17:05:27) Tom Peters : VWLISED?
(17:05:33) Lori : Welcome everyone 
(17:05:35) Tom Peters : Virtual World LIS Educators?
(17:05:42) Lori : if you would like to be in the google gruop send me your email and I will ivnite 
(17:05:54) Lori : the group for communication is liseducatorsvirtualworlds 
(17:06:04) Scott Nicholson : (does the recording pick up typed comments as well?)
(17:06:12) Tom Peters : Scott, yes, it does
(17:06:23) Lori : I am pleased so many people have come 
(17:07:06) Madra : y
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(17:07:09) Ilene Frank : It's ok
(17:07:09) valibrarian : yes
(17:07:09) Tom Peters : I see it.
(17:07:13) Vienna James : yes
(17:07:15) Professor Humby : yes
(17:07:15) Lauren : yep
(17:07:16) Tracy Ruppman : yes, I see it
(17:07:18) lbowler : yes
(17:07:20) AbbeyZenith : yes I see the agenda.
(17:08:02) Galia : I did, but now it has gone and I'm back to the list of programmes 
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(17:08:15) Lori : sure.
(17:08:18) Madra : I like the dedicated space idea
(17:08:22) Lori : WE have a large space in second lfie on Infotainment island
(17:08:23) Vienna James : I lost sound
(17:08:27) Lori : where we can build something to try for 6 months
(17:08:29) Madra : sound?
(17:08:31) Vienna James : ok
(17:08:32) Madra : k
(17:08:34) Vienna James : lol
(17:08:38) Lori : we could have a student union, a classroom anyone can use, and a resource center
(17:08:43) Tom Peters : At least in the short term, perhaps we could even track which LIS courses are using a virtual world for instruction.
(17:08:55) Madra : Sounds wonderful
(17:09:04) valibrarian : That sounds great, Lori and Tom.
(17:09:08) Madra : New courses are cropping up
(17:09:16) Tom Peters : I really like the idea of having a pan-institution student union for LIS grad students.
(17:09:17) Lorri : I did this semester
(17:09:20) valibrarian : Not yet- hope to.
(17:09:24) Madra : I will next term, in a few weeks
(17:09:27) gilok : I will do next semester
(17:09:29) Scott Nicholson : Although you'll need to define what you mean by a virtual world - I see my typical learning manangement system classroom space as a virtual world.
(17:09:35) Vienna James : what schools please
(17:09:36) Sharon : Hope to in the future.
(17:09:41) gilok : Pratt
(17:09:45) Vienna James : I know Illinois for Lori
(17:09:46) Lorri : Florida State Univesrity
(17:09:47) Madra : U. of Hawaii
(17:09:48) valibrarian : Texas Woman's University
(17:09:49) Vienna James : ty
(17:09:59) Scott Nicholson : Syracuse
(17:10:08) Sharon : Indiana University
(17:10:09) Tracy Ruppman : Loyola University Chicago
(17:10:14) Cindy : Graduate Student - Queens College NYC
(17:10:20) Tom Peters : Scott, by way of definition, is some sense of something like 3D a necessary condition for a VW?
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(17:10:30) Galia : Central TAFE in Perth, Australia 
(17:10:34) lbowler : Hope to meet my students for one class in SL next term. University of Pittsburgh
(17:10:38) Doug Dechow : Chapman University, Orange, California 
(17:10:40) Tom Peters : yay, Australia!
(17:10:45) Vienna James : Vienna James, RezLibris PR Director and Library School student in UK (University of the West of England)
(17:10:55) Tom Peters : yay, UK!
(17:10:58) Galia : yay! 
(17:10:59) Rhonda : University of Toronto, Canada
(17:11:03) Chodron : Not currently teaching, but very interested. 
(17:11:04) Tom Peters : glad we have an international group.
(17:11:04) Madra : Great a list is needed
(17:11:10) Tom Peters : yay, Canada!
(17:11:16) Tom Peters : I'll stop yaying now.
(17:11:17) Scott Nicholson : If that's how we wish to define it. MUSHes and MOOs are certainly virtual worlds with no 3D or graphical representation, but are very close to SL in behavior.
(17:11:18) gilok : Where do I have to email
(17:11:27) Vienna James : lol
(17:11:33) Ilene Frank : I've done some adjunct teaching for Univ of South Florida in the past. I'm just here to let'em know what's going on. 
(17:11:33) Marianne Steadley : steadley@illinois.edu
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(17:12:07) Cindy : I am using this list for a paper I'm writing: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?bhcp=1 Might not have every "virtual world" but a great place to start
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(17:12:23) Tom Peters : For those who are already teacing in a virtual world, how are students liking it?
(17:12:24) ruleman : University of Central Missouri
(17:12:39) Chodron : can't see the agenda - had to relog in 
(17:12:45) Lorri : some like it and some hate it
(17:12:56) Tom Peters : I just pushed out the agenda again.
(17:13:20) Rhonda : how much pre training on the environment is needed?
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(17:13:27) Madra : I've escorted students through orientation sites a bit, some feel it is too unpopulated and too little to do without a course structure dictating activities
(17:13:37) Sharon : Some students I work with got frustrated with the technology - lots of disconnections.
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(17:14:00) AbbeyZenith : I've learned from working with students at UNC Greensboro (not teaching) that once it "clicks" and they realize the professional networking potential they are more interested. 
(17:14:05) Tom Peters : so it sounds like some basic acclimation and environmental issues to teaching/learning in a VW?
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(17:14:44) Marianne Steadley : for both instructors and students
(17:14:47) Madra : Yes my grad students finally got the "click" when Honoria Paine spoke of her SL work with a nursing program
(17:14:54) Tom Peters : Abbey, I agree. That's why we could help the students network in some way.
(17:15:05) Cindy : Personally, I've had the same complaints about SL - it tends to get jerky or crash, and it's underpopulated - but I'm not new to VWs 
(17:15:06) Madra : Now that was interesting they exclaimed
(17:15:08) Ilene Frank : I tagged along with a grad College of Ed class last week - The guy who was saying that he felt uneasy about all the technology he needed to know fell in LOVE with SL! 
(17:15:21) Lori : do you think a student union for LIS students would be a good addition?
(17:15:30) valibrarian : Yes, Lori
(17:15:35) Rhonda : for those already teaching, do you need tech support from the department?
(17:15:36) Tom Peters : Lori, I think it would
(17:15:46) Ilene Frank : Lori, I think that's a great idea - If students can find each other, they'll be more engaged.
(17:15:49) Madra : Might be if it is populated enough so people make friends across programs
(17:15:51) Lori : do we have a group who would like to work on a student union for lis students on infotainment
(17:16:09) gilok : yes
(17:16:15) Lori : there is a graduate LIS student gorup but I do not know how active it is 
(17:16:19) Allan Kleiman : Marianne, I was looking at SL to conduct my own CE classes in the future. Is U-L doing this already?
(17:16:27) Vienna James : may I ask a bit of detail - how curriculum material was presented?
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(17:16:30) Rhonda : yes
(17:16:30) Tom Peters : yes, I hear you, Lori
(17:16:31) AbbeyZenith : yes Lori 
(17:16:31) Ilene Frank : Yes! 
(17:16:32) Lorri : yes
(17:16:33) Madra : Maybe my class can participate in that project
(17:16:34) Tracy Ruppman : I hear you
(17:16:36) valibrarian : I hear you, Lori
(17:16:37) Madra : yes hear you
(17:16:55) AbbeyZenith : It would be a good idea to have students involved.
(17:17:11) Madra : k
(17:17:14) Tom Peters : Maybe we could have a "faculty lounge" area too?
(17:17:25) Lori : great idea
(17:17:33) Tom Peters : So that faculty members can get together in-world.
(17:17:35) lbowler : Only if it has a cappucino machine
(17:17:43) Tom Peters : byo cappucino
(17:17:46) Madra : It would be great to have faculty and students presenting their work regularly
(17:17:59) Galia : awww 
(17:18:12) Vienna James : I was wondering what format of the material was most successful
(17:18:15) Tom Peters : This could be a great way to share student project reports, too
(17:18:16) Marianne Steadley : I need a bigger chat window. this is moving along quickly
(17:18:26) AbbeyZenith : The island has presentation space, and also an orientation area (under construction) both could be helpful.
(17:18:34) Madra : yes. students and faculty sharing
(17:18:38) Cindy : (drag the edges of the chat window)
(17:18:52) Tracy Ruppman : Thanks!
(17:18:56) Marianne Steadley : ok ,thanks
(17:18:58) Rhonda : what does the syllabus look like - same question as Vienna
(17:19:05) valibrarian : Thanks, Tom. OPAL is terrific.
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(17:19:22) Scott Nicholson : One of the challenges to the use of Second Life for us is that our program is Asynchronous. The concepts of virtual worlds are attractive and interesting, but Second Life isn't a good tool for that from what I've seen. Has anyone had success doing asynchronous education, discussion, and group work through SL?
(17:19:32) Tom Peters : I agree, Val (but I'm not disinterested)
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(17:20:17) AbbeyZenith : Scott Hilary Mason formerly of Johnson & Wales in Providence.
(17:20:23) AbbeyZenith : I can get her email for you.
(17:20:26) Lorri : North Lamar is teaching undergrads who work on projects independently
(17:20:27) Marianne Steadley : No I don't.
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(17:20:55) Tom Peters : Yes, North Lamar (Joe Sanchez at UTexas) may be another resource on that.
(17:20:58) Madra : Jeremy's students work on projects independently and they meet occasionally
(17:20:58) ruleman : Many classes work on projects on their own.
(17:21:15) AbbeyZenith : (not LIS for Hilary, but successful projects)
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(17:21:49) Ilene Frank : But, Lorri, don't those North L's students work in teams? I think that might be possible even with asynch. classes if you planned it carefully - like putting students in the same time zone together. (?)
(17:21:54) Lorri : My FSU students did that sort of work, such as answering questions on Info Island reference desk
(17:22:01) Galia : I heard of students who needed lindens to develop a project so they all went to work as escorts 
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(17:22:11) Marianne Steadley : tee hee
(17:22:18) Tom Peters : lol
(17:22:18) Ilene Frank : How enterprising of them!  
(17:22:23) Vienna James : lol
(17:22:23) Tracy Ruppman : Just because we choose a synchronous environment does not mean the work has to be done synchronously
(17:22:24) Rhonda : if they are doing independent projects, what are the incentives for meeting in SL?
(17:22:31) Scott Nicholson : How about the archival of a class when it is over? What artifacts are left behind?
(17:22:44) Tom Peters : good question, Scott
(17:22:58) Vienna James : It's like a treasure hunt
(17:23:03) Lori : We often do some classes in text so they have the text chat for the students later
(17:23:06) Tom Peters : It would be cool to develop a holo-emitter for a set of class projects.
(17:23:08) Vienna James : an assignment iven in second life is a whole diferent experience to carry out
(17:23:12) valibrarian : I have earned course credits through Independent Study in SL (doctoral level). 
(17:23:14) Vienna James : *given
(17:23:16) Lori : some of the classes we used Moodle in conjunction so there was the place for dsicussion when they were not in sl
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(17:23:38) Ilene Frank : You could have students write up their SL experiences so there would be a record of activites - take some snapshots - do some machinima maybe. 
(17:23:41) Marianne Steadley : would it be easier then for a student in the UK or australia to take an LIS class at UI (instead of via WISE)
(17:23:42) Lorri : Scott, Jeremy Kemp was working on a 'drop box' system for submitting SL assignments
(17:23:44) Lori : I know Jeremy Kemp is working on integrating Moodle with SL and also Angel
(17:24:13) Rhonda : thanks
(17:24:14) Tracy Ruppman : Great points, Scott (and Lorri)
(17:24:38) Vienna James : I'm sorry, is that Tom talking?
(17:24:45) Lori : Vienna, yes it is tom
(17:24:47) valibrarian : True- I think it is important to balance course "content" with the learning of the environment of itself.
(17:24:48) Vienna James : ty
(17:24:50) Marianne Steadley : no
(17:24:52) Madra : hearing you
(17:24:56) Vienna James : no I don't recognize voice yet, sorry
(17:24:58) Ilene Frank : Tom, we can hear
(17:25:00) Tracy Ruppman : Yes, Vienna, there's a speech bubble next to the name when they talk
(17:25:01) Chodron : you're ok 
(17:25:09) Vienna James : TY!
(17:25:10) Valli Hoski : The environment itself can't be a barrier to learning
(17:25:23) Allan Kleiman : I am all speech repeated twice with alot of feedback
(17:25:49) Tom Peters : Valli, I agree, but in some ways the real world has some barriers to learning...we've just learned to live with them or work around them.
(17:25:56) valibrarian : Exactly...Learning the environment is part of it. But there needs to also be purposeful content.
(17:25:59) Cindy : There would need to be prerequisites - a basic understanding of SL beforehand. You can't let the platform be a barrier, but you can't spend the entire course teaching how to walk around and talk.
(17:26:02) Marianne Steadley : Tom, any thoughts for Allan?
(17:26:12) Doug Dechow : Allan: Is your mic open? 
(17:26:15) Chodron : Turn down volume 
(17:26:16) Vienna James : true Cindy
(17:26:19) Rhonda : it would be great if we could share the course outlines for SL/Virtual World courses
(17:26:20) Galia : I miss several written comments, even my own 
(17:26:21) Marianne Steadley : and Cindy that does take time.
(17:26:33) Scott Nicholson : How do you address the findings from the recent study about the finding that most of the reference work in Second Life was support for Second Life itself? That seems to raise questions about the validity of libraries spending resources to have people in SL.
(17:26:34) Madra : One library is using SL to expand small group meeting space which is extremely limited at that institution. SL gives them space for students to meet and work on projects ehether the projects are SL or not.
(17:26:40) Ilene Frank : Allan, are you using a headset or external speakers? External speakers can be a problem...
(17:27:00) Lorri : Depends on what you see as legitimate reference work
(17:27:02) Marianne Steadley : I would be happy to share what we are doing. I assume the instructors would agree.
(17:27:15) Lori : Scott, that is an excellent question. We think as these environments become more common and well used, that will change.
(17:27:15) Madra : SL information literacy is a new form of IL
(17:27:23) ruleman : I like the idea of group meeting space. Our library never has enough study rooms.
(17:27:26) Lori : Many public librareis answer most qeustions about the library itself and its community
(17:27:27) Ilene Frank : We're starting to get faculty very interested in using SL - When they get there with their students, we librarians are already there. We'll be ready 
(17:27:33) Vienna James : even in RL each course starts out with an orientation of sorts and doesn't really kick off until the 2nd class
(17:27:40) Madra : VW information literacy is important
(17:27:51) Tom Peters : Allan, are you trying to speak?
(17:27:59) valibrarian : I took the Intermediate VW Course from UIUC and found the balance of content (meaning) and virtual world exploration to be really great.
(17:28:01) Vienna James : Cheers to Ilene!
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(17:28:13) Marianne Steadley : thank you val...
(17:28:14) Ilene Frank : It's still practice with customer interaction, etc. even if it's stuff about SL 
(17:28:20) Valli Hoski : True, the learning environment "has" to be learned or the student sinks. But SL has the same public image as Google - do it / live it every day
(17:28:21) ruleman : We have very few classes using it right now but we did feel it was important for the library to be there.
(17:28:24) Vienna James : that sounds promising
(17:28:42) Tom Peters : I'm not hearing Allan.
(17:28:42) Valli Hoski : (I am hearing audio sporadically. Nothing now.)
(17:28:46) Madra : Librarians are ahead of the crowd on VWs
(17:28:56) Madra : not hearing
(17:29:03) Vienna James : I have an important technical question
(17:29:04) Lori : I think reference service will mature as more people are in sl and people begin to take more than one class in the environment
(17:29:06) AbbeyZenith : Scott, what study?
(17:29:08) Madra : y
(17:29:10) Rhonda : yes
(17:29:10) Valli Hoski : Yes hear you.
(17:29:11) Tom Peters : yes
(17:29:13) Valli Hoski : but not Allen.
(17:29:13) Chery : yes
(17:29:17) ruleman : Yes
(17:29:30) Madra : Yes, it will mature, but there will be newbies for many years to come
(17:29:44) Marianne Steadley : vienna - what is your ?
(17:29:50) awatkins@aztecnm.gov : I can't hear you 
(17:29:59) Tom Peters : I'll save and post the text chat as a separate file, since there are so many good comments coming through.
(17:30:03) Tracy Ruppman : No one is speaking at the moment
(17:30:04) Marianne Steadley : no one is speaking
(17:30:17) Vienna James : I understand that only 5 computers can be logged into SL simultaneously on a university network, is that true?
(17:30:27) Doug Dechow : I get the feeling that there is a conversation going on that I'm not a part of... See you all in SL next time. 
(17:30:39) Marianne Steadley : I don't know.
(17:30:41) Ilene Frank : No - you can log in - but it can be difficult to SIGN PEOPLE up all at the same time
(17:30:41) Doug Dechow : 
(17:30:52) AbbeyZenith : Ilene is right
(17:30:59) Lori : I think the problem is more with students signing up for new accounts at the same time on the same IP address
(17:31:01) ruleman : That isn't true at the Univ. of Central Mo
(17:31:05) Madra : It has something to do with using a "white listed" site to enter a whole class at the same time
(17:31:05) Vienna James : ok so they have to sign up outside of school, or 5 at a time>
(17:31:07) Vienna James : ?
(17:31:10) Tracy Ruppman : I attended a workshop at UIUC this summer and there were 12 or so of us logged in at one time
(17:31:21) Ilene Frank : If you want a whole class to get join at one time, you can get your lab IP addresses whitelisted by Linden Lab. 
(17:31:22) AbbeyZenith : stagger the times I think
(17:31:28) Tom Peters : Vienna, I think that's the solution.
(17:31:29) Rhonda : Do your departments buy space or use "free " space in SL?
(17:31:34) Vienna James : ty
(17:31:50) Lori : they used to offer schools a group of accounts too - so that all the students have the same last name etc
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(17:32:02) Vienna James : oh that's interesting Lori
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(17:32:05) Marianne Steadley : hmm that's interesting
(17:32:05) Lorri has entered the room.
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(17:32:14) Tom Peters : yea, like the Mnemonics at the U. of Central Missour
(17:32:14) Madra : You purchase the last name in that case (Bryan Mnemonic does this)
(17:32:26) Doug Dechow : Are folks speaking now? 
(17:32:30) AbbeyZenith : no
(17:32:31) Tracy Ruppman : no
(17:32:32) Vienna James : that can be helpful in pre-designed courses
(17:32:32) ruleman : I believe each depart is given space - and alotted a certain number of prims.
(17:32:32) Marianne Steadley : We are at about 30 minutes. Does an hour total sound OK?
(17:32:32) Valli Hoski : (side comment - interesting that this program is coming from UIUC, with CERL one of the original homes of PLATO, the pioneering online multi-user dedicated educational computing systems. Back to the 70s again.)
(17:32:42) Valli Hoski : Yes
(17:32:42) Madra : y
(17:32:42) Vienna James : with roles
(17:32:46) Vienna James : hmmm
(17:32:46) Chodron : y 
(17:32:47) Doug Dechow : Yes. 
(17:32:59) Cindy : one hour sounds good
(17:33:02) lbowler : I've never taught in SL and I'm interested in the "field trip" idea. That is exactly what I had in mind. I'm assuming that ramping a whole class up to the point where everyone can meet in SL must be time consuming - time that could be used elsewhere. Could those of you with experience teaching in SL speak to this issue. Is it worth it, or should I just demonstrate it "to" the class. 
(17:33:08) Doug Dechow : On macs? 
(17:33:18) valibrarian : Most of us are just using text. 
(17:33:43) Scott Nicholson : No. If you want to use a mac for speaking, you have to dual-boot as a Windows machine. (that's what I'm doing)
(17:33:45) Valli Hoski : There are other "virtual classroom" software settings, but SL has the big advantage of being "already there" as a social setting
(17:33:47) ruleman : Bryan Mnemonic is from my school although he has not been using the schools island.

(17:33:48) Lorri : Field trips are hard - my tip is to give everyone a notecard with embedded links in it
(17:33:51) Lori : when we have conferences we also offer "orienation seesions" where they can meet in a small group for about an hour to learn the basics
(17:34:00) lbowler : Thanks
(17:34:13) Scott Nicholson : Anyone have problems with griefers when doing a SL program?
(17:34:19) Valli Hoski : Office space for LIS faculty/instructors would be great
(17:34:21) Tracy Ruppman : Good question, Scott
(17:34:24) Cindy : orientation sessions are a great idea
(17:34:37) Lori : Scott, yes - we make sure to have an estate manager on hand for programs so griefers do not become a problem
(17:34:42) Tu : Re: lBower, I have gotten a lot of mixed feedback from students. Some love SL; some absolutely hate it.
(17:34:45) Ilene Frank : Steve Downey who's here at USF says he can get a class competent enough to move around in an hour or two. He's the prof who did the field trip with his class the other night that I sat in on. He used Ventrilo for voice and got them to four different places! 
(17:34:56) Galia : orientations are absolutely necessary imo 
(17:34:57) Valli Hoski : Virtual office and office hours would be a brilliiant service. Have to get instructors to feel like they are "in"
(17:35:00) Vienna James : I am intrigued by account control, setting up 30 students, activating accounts only when needed for the course, re-using the names and building curriculum around those users
(17:35:14) Rhonda : Can someone speak to the space question I raised earlier - are your departments buying private space or using "free" space?
(17:35:17) AbbeyZenith : most "griefers" we encounter are new people who don't understand they are at a meeting, or someone that is annoying. 
(17:35:29) Lori : if they are all part of the same in world group too, it is easier to communicate with them if you are in some different locations and to send a SLURL to get everyone to the same location
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(17:36:17) Madra : My dept. bought an island and kept it for the research that paid for it. Now that the funds are lost it is open to the dept. So I can have a space there.
(17:36:20) Tu : Rhonda, we at the U of South Carolina are renting lands from Lori. We are so happy to be her tenant.
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(17:36:37) gilok : Could you send us email?
(17:36:46) Valli Hoski : Related questions - for both faculty and student usage of SL. How bandwidth intensive is SL usage? Will most "cheap" broadband connections be fast enough?
(17:36:48) AbbeyZenith : abbeyzen@gmail.com
(17:36:48) Rhonda : thanks!
(17:37:22) Vienna James : Perhaps one of our goals would be to set up a best practices document
(17:37:26) Valli Hoski : Great!
(17:37:29) Tu : Valli, even DSL stretches the Internet speed. High-speed is a must-have.
(17:37:39) Valli Hoski : Right
(17:37:44) Madra : Good idea Vienna
(17:37:45) Valli Hoski : OK
(17:37:48) Valli Hoski : Thanks
(17:37:53) Ilene Frank : Vienna, that's a really good idea
(17:37:55) Tracy Ruppman : Great idea, Vienna
(17:38:06) Valli Hoski : (Is there an email list being formed? I joined late (sorry) and so didn't hear the intro)
(17:38:22) valibrarian : Space is available on Talis Cybrary Island, a place for librarians. You can also contact Teo Matova.
(17:38:37) Lori : yes there is an email list
(17:38:42) Lori : if you sen dme your email I will send you an invite 
(17:38:55) Scott Nicholson : (I want to teach a class in Little Big Planet)
(17:38:57) Valli Hoski : Virtual world vs virtual "village" (only 2D tools)
(17:39:02) Lorri : Costs money on AW or QWAQ
(17:39:16) Vienna James : I am wondering if I could teach a class as part of my dissertation
(17:39:26) Doug Dechow : I'm following Wonderlands progress. 
(17:39:27) Vienna James : and use it for research
(17:39:34) Tom Peters : Vienna, that would be cool
(17:39:51) Vienna James : I have a willing mentor at the Univ
(17:39:58) Tu : Doug, I am too, but I am not sure I have spare energy. Money is another thing.
(17:40:04) Lori : scott, tell us about little big planet
(17:40:10) Scott Nicholson : I know there was a conference held in WoW earlier this year. I wonder if there's something there.
(17:40:11) Cindy : I've been wondering - what is the content of a VW class usually? How is it different from a class in the real world?
(17:40:11) Tom Peters : With a willing mentor, your 90 percent there!
(17:40:17) Marianne Steadley : Vienna - we have some classes starting again in Feb. perhaps we can talk about you joining us.
(17:40:19) Madra : Good idea Vienna
(17:40:29) valibrarian : I will be working on a dissertation on a similar research topic, Vienna. I think there's great potential for research here.
(17:40:38) Vienna James : oh my that would be fantastic if I could
(17:40:43) Vienna James : ty Marianne
(17:40:44) Madra : Rhonda, don't hear you
(17:40:47) Tom Peters : Rhonda, you have the floor.
(17:40:49) Marianne Steadley : can't hear you Rhonda
(17:40:58) Tu : I think that classes in vw and in real-world should be the same.
(17:41:02) Scott Nicholson : Little Big Planet is currently capped at 4 people, but you can easily make a space for others to experience. It's a platformer. It might be a pretty neat way to make a tutorial that people would have to follow through in a predetermined order, and is easy enough to use that you could make it a cool group project.
(17:41:09) Tu : We'll have to work hard to be creative.
(17:41:11) Rhonda : Similar question to Cindy- what is the content of a VW class usually? How is it different from a class in the real world?

(17:41:11) Tracy Ruppman : I hear Rhonda typing, lol
(17:41:16) Scott Nicholson : It would be an asychronous virtual world concept.
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(17:41:48) Vienna James : I believe the classes in VW should be more engaging and try to create activities that involve some form of simulation or inworld research
(17:41:58) Marianne Steadley : do you mean one of the UI VW classes?
(17:42:00) Lori : the introduction to virtual world librarianship is just that - an intro to collections, reference service and events and exhibits in second life
(17:42:07) Tom Peters : Has anyone ever tried to administer a test of some sort in a virtual world? If so, how did that work out?
(17:42:09) gilok : Is there any way I can get class syllabus for SL?
(17:42:16) Vienna James : to be honest, being in classes can be pretty yawning
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(17:42:19) Vienna James : (sorry)
(17:42:26) Lori : Vienna why is that
(17:42:35) Madra : Just getting there and moving about is different, then there are tools I don't know how to use that are similar like media viewers, and there are quiz devices, etc.
(17:42:39) AbbeyZenith : www.simteach.com
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(17:43:02) gilok : Thanks
(17:43:09) Vienna James : well - RL classes that have lecture are tough to sit through without a yawn or two
(17:43:19) Valli Hoski : Use of SL could be a very rich simulation setting for librarians2b to practice in
(17:43:22) AbbeyZenith : welcome and in SL ICT library on INfo Island has that sort of information available.
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(17:43:24) Madra : There needs to be a lot of activity, not just listening or chatting
(17:43:31) Vienna James : but an SL class - I think it engages the brain more
(17:43:34) Valli Hoski : or for that matter for librarians2b to be actual "live" librarians
(17:43:35) Vienna James : because it is visual
(17:43:39) Tom Peters : Oh, so the basic classroom thing is a yawner, regardless of the world in which it occurs?
(17:43:41) Vienna James : am I making sense
(17:43:43) Vienna James : lol
(17:43:43) Lori : we just did a course too where attendees got to build their own library
(17:44:00) Scott Nicholson : But, Vienna, your complaint is about a pedagogical style. Just becuase a class is in Second Life doesn't mean is still won't be a professor lecturing on and on. 
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(17:44:13) Lori : I would like to check out the planet virtual world
(17:44:23) Rhonda : do you use audio when teaching in SL? Or just text?
(17:44:25) valibrarian : I understand, Vienna. I prefer online courses to physical lectures. But it seems SL can combine the best of both: no distance to drive, yet synchronous.
(17:44:26) Scott Nicholson : A teacher who doesn't know how to create an engaging class still won't create an engaging class in a virtual world. It's just a tool.
(17:44:26) Vienna James : than it is not using SL to its advantage
(17:44:31) AbbeyZenith : yes the potential for experiential education is excellent in VW

(17:44:32) Ilene Frank : Scott, don't lecture too much need to go into the Best Practices guide 

(17:44:39) Vienna James : lol
(17:44:55) Tu : Rhonda, I think that it's necessary to use both audio and text for SL teaching.
(17:45:02) Rhonda : thanks!
(17:45:11) Lorri : it is kind of disappointing to go through all that orientation and setup just to sit in a chair and look at powerpoints
(17:45:16) Robin : we use both audio and text when teaching in SL 
(17:45:18) Madra : right!
(17:45:26) Tom Peters : Text is great for saving and studying later, but the addition of voice adds a certain warmth
(17:45:30) Marianne Steadley : our students have appreciated both audio and text.
(17:45:36) Marianne Steadley : text for reveiwing later
(17:45:45) Rhonda : ahh the archivists!
(17:45:45) Tu : The issue is to have a class archive.
(17:45:49) Vienna James : I woul dbe more concerned with distraction in SL
(17:45:52) AbbeyZenith : some students shine with text where they are shy to speak up in class.
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(17:46:00) Scott Nicholson : Unless, of course.. like what we've done here.. people abandon the voice altogether as all can't participate. 
(17:46:00) Tu : Students complained that there is no SL class archive ... 
(17:46:03) Vienna James : students IMing during class or something
(17:46:08) Marianne Steadley : but rl classes dont' have archives
(17:46:09) gilok : What kind of students activities are available in SL? How can I involve studednts?
(17:46:21) Cindy : good point Vienna - an avatar can look like it's paying attention even if the person is afk
(17:46:23) Valli Hoski : But IM is not just a problem for sl
(17:46:30) Lorri : I like to have students build on the first or second visit to SL
(17:46:30) Vienna James : yah
(17:46:31) Ilene Frank : A class archive doesn't usuallly happen in your face-to-face classes does it? Do you all record your classes in RL? 
(17:46:33) Tracy Ruppman : But that happens in RL classes now too, Vienna. Everyone has their handheld devices or laptops in class
(17:46:36) Tu : Marianne, some live DE classes can have archives.
(17:47:02) AbbeyZenith : no different than whispering to the person at the next desk - IMs really help students bond - more a feeling of being there than normal distance education, I think.
(17:47:06) Vienna James : that is less likely though, I mean, they would not want to be seen using it
(17:47:10) Vienna James : here no one knows but them
(17:47:11) Tom Peters : Just a reminder: This is being recorded and will be archived LOL
(17:47:11) Madra : We also create archives of student projects and keep them online
(17:47:19) Ilene Frank : LOL
(17:47:25) Cindy : But Tracy, in a real classroom you can at least see them sitting at the desk... in SL, if you don't involve them, they could be in the kitchen getting food
(17:47:34) Tracy Ruppman : very true
(17:47:39) Marianne Steadley : yes, we use moodle for our credit courses with both text and audio archives
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(17:47:46) Vienna James : so it has to be interactive
(17:47:47) Tom Peters : You cannot see them actually nodding off
(17:48:00) Tracy Ruppman : lol
(17:48:03) Lori : they could be in the kitchen getting food using OPAL, or Elluminate or Adobe Connect too 
(17:48:11) Ilene Frank : We do a lot of distance classes via Elluminate - no telling there either - Are they being attentive? Who knows? 
(17:48:15) Scott Nicholson : Are your second life courses private? Or do you open them to non-students who join in?
(17:48:16) Tom Peters : I'd talk, but my mouth is full
(17:48:20) Tu : Classes in every format should be interactive.
(17:48:20) Vienna James : they have to believe they may get called on aat any time
(17:48:23) Cindy : lol
(17:48:30) Valli Hoski : We (Univ of North Texas) use Live Classroom/Wimba for the live online sessions. Blackboard for the kbase.
(17:48:35) AbbeyZenith : Scott they can be made private - a space can be limited to a group.
(17:48:44) Tu : At U of South Carolina, we kept the class private.
(17:48:50) So, having had mixed experiences teaching online, would SL be more exciting for the students then just chat? 
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(17:48:57) Marianne Steadley : our second life courses aren't private, really anyone can drop in and have. but they are CE not credit
(17:49:05) Tu : BUT ... We are almost ready to open our library ro provide VRS staffed by our students.
(17:49:12) Galia : It has been for me 
(17:49:43) Valli Hoski : Yes, SL offers many more ways of "exploring" information, so to speak. Just chat is 2 dimensional.
(17:49:43) I've had the same issue of not knowing if the student is awake 
(17:49:52) Galia : but not in a formal classroom situation in sl 
(17:49:58) AbbeyZenith : group ownership of the parcel or space.
(17:50:08) AbbeyZenith : Yes floating a skyroom is another way.
(17:50:17) Lori : limiting the space by avatar name or group
(17:50:25) ruleman : Selmo Park has classrooms in the sky. You have to know how to get there.
(17:50:26) Vienna James : there is a security orb (I own one) and you just enter all the student names in there - anyone else is ejected within 15 seconds of landing
(17:50:43) Rhonda : Control+V opens the mic, btw
(17:50:47) Tom Peters : wow, I want a security orb for real life!
(17:50:51) Galia : Will underage students be allowed in? 
(17:50:54) Tracy Ruppman : lol, me too!
(17:50:54) Vienna James : lol
(17:51:08) AbbeyZenith : SL is strict on age requirements.
(17:51:16) Lori : Galia, with the Linden terms of service, underage students cannot be allowe din
(17:51:19) I think I'm overage! 
(17:51:19) Tu : Vienna, how did you get a security orb?
(17:51:39) Vienna James : they are available for purchase
(17:51:44) Galia : my college has several students under 18 so I guess that rules out SL for us 
(17:51:50) AbbeyZenith : isn't it 17?
(17:52:03) Vienna James : isn't this mostly for grad students?
(17:52:03) Cindy : they could try Teen SL? but I think that has an upper limit around 18
(17:52:07) Lori : it is 18
(17:52:10) Vienna James : my misunderstanding
(17:52:10) AbbeyZenith : ok 18
(17:52:14) Lori : no they must be 18
(17:52:17) AbbeyZenith : teen grid is up to 17
(17:52:18) AbbeyZenith : sorry
(17:52:21) Lori : 13-17 is age for teen sl
(17:52:45) Tom Peters : preteens are SOL concerning SL and TSL, I guess.
(17:52:53) Galia : so we can't have a class of mixed ages 
(17:53:06) Tom Peters : This is a good start, I think.
(17:53:13) Lori : please email me - lbell927@gmail.com if you are interested in building an lis area on Infotainment - we can get together next week and start working on this
(17:53:14) Rhonda : the best practices
(17:53:39) Madra : research collaborations, student collaborations across programs
(17:53:42) Tom Peters : Scott, I think a good resource center so anyone can quickly get a sense of what's happening with LIS ed in VWs, best practices, etc.
(17:53:48) Marianne Steadley : best practices is a good goal
(17:54:21) Cindy : I would like to hear about any sort of meeting/event in SL - I've had trouble finding anything to interest me there and i think it's just because I don't have anyone to show me around. 
(17:54:25) Marianne Steadley : resource center, instructional tool bin
(17:54:32) Valli Hoski : Directory of programs using SL, contacts, sample projects - all data about the best practices being used
(17:54:35) Lori : Cindy are you on our alliance google list
(17:54:45) Cindy : Yes I think so - just got the invite
(17:54:50) Lori : if not I will add you - that list will keep you up tod ate on all the events and conferences going on
(17:54:53) Ilene Frank : Sample projects with rubrics for grading would be good, huh? 
(17:54:54) AbbeyZenith : Cindy - IM Abbey Zenith and I'll get you in the librarians group so you will hear aabout events.
(17:55:10) Tracy Ruppman : Can I get on the alliance list?
(17:55:16) lbowler : Me too
(17:55:16) Bonnie : Please send an invite for the Alliance Google list to Kinzicar@hotmail.com
(17:55:17) gilok : me too
(17:55:17) Madra : good idea Ilene
(17:55:18) AbbeyZenith : we have both in-world group and Google group 
(17:55:25) Vienna James : I have to say, I am very excited about this group!
(17:55:28) Tracy Ruppman : Thanks, Bonnie
(17:55:32) Lori : yes anyone who would like to join the alliance second life google gruop, send me your email and I will add you 
(17:55:36) Leslie : Me too! 
(17:55:41) Chodron : I'm already on.. 
(17:55:44) Lori : that has almost 800 people on it - we share ideas, events, etc going on in second life on the library islands
(17:56:01) Tu has left the room.
(17:56:10) Marianne Steadley : Also I will maintain a list if you send me your name and avatar name. If you haven't already.
(17:56:12) Robin{w} has left the room.
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(17:56:15) Tom Peters : Plus there's some discussion about other VWs on the list.
(17:56:19) Rhonda : Lori, please add me - rhonda.mcewen@utoronto.ca
(17:56:23) Marianne Steadley : steadley@illinois.edu
(17:56:32) gilok : higilok@yahoo.com
(17:56:37) Tom Peters : tpeters@tapinformation.com
(17:56:41) Leslie : lstryker@fryeburgacademy.org
(17:56:46) Marianne Steadley : so next meeting in SL or back here?
(17:56:52) Bonnie : Name: Stacy McKenzie - SL Avatar: Bonnie Tomorrow
(17:56:54) Madra : SL is more fun
(17:57:04) lbowler : lbowler@sis.pitt.edu
(17:57:05) ruleman : I vote for SL!
(17:57:14) Madra : nahl@hawaii.edu
(17:57:20) Ilene Frank : ifrank@lib.usf.edu 
(17:57:20) Galia : tHIS TIME OF DAY IS PERFECT FOR ME - 8:00AM TOMORROW  
(17:57:20) gilok : Where are going to post our discussion today?
(17:57:22) Vienna James : perhaps it can be posted to the google group?
(17:57:32) Tom Peters : top of the morning to ya!
(17:57:40) Chodron : llarsen@igc.org 
(17:57:43) Cindy : Time may be difficult for me for an SL meeting - I stayed late at work today to make this meeting
(17:57:48) Marianne Steadley : Ok, let's try SL next time, same time of day?
(17:57:55) Tom Peters : yea, I'll post the text chat to the Google group.
(17:58:00) Rhonda : Thanks for arranging this. Good to meet you all - see you in SL or in person (conferences?)
(17:58:02) ruleman : This time works for me.
(17:58:08) Vienna James : me 2
(17:58:10) Valli Hoski : Good idea exchange
(17:58:10) Tom Peters : The audio recording will be in the OPAL Archive.
(17:58:18) Marianne Steadley : after the holidays or before?
(17:58:18) valibrarian : Sounds great. Thanks to all of you.
(17:58:19) Tracy Ruppman : Me too, Cindy
(17:58:19) Valli Hoski : And thanks for getting the wrod out
(17:58:28) Chery : Thanks
(17:58:31) gilok : How can I get OPAL Archive?
(17:58:37) Tom Peters : www.opal-online.org
(17:58:41) Leslie : Thanks
(17:58:43) Galia : Why don't I see my own comments some of the time? 
(17:58:43) Marianne Steadley : I will also summarize and list our goals.
(17:58:44) Madra : After!
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(17:58:57) Bonnie : I am a public librarian but as one who hires people I want to know what newly graduating student are learning in their classes, so I am very excited to tag along if that is okay.
(17:58:57) Vienna James : Any issues quoting from chat for the next issue of RezLibris people?
(17:59:05) Galia : most of the time 
(17:59:13) Tom Peters : Bonnie, by all means, tag along
(17:59:16) AbbeyZenith : I'll be glad to show folks around Alliance Virtual Library in SL too... 
(17:59:19) Madra : ok Vienna
(17:59:26) Vienna James : ty!
(17:59:26) Tracy Ruppman : Thanks, Abbey
(17:59:30) Marianne Steadley : I will be in St Kitts in early Jan on vacation (hurray warmth) and will schedule something right after that.
(17:59:31) AbbeyZenith : Great meeting & conversation  
(17:59:36) gilok : Thanks. I like the meeting.
(17:59:36) Bonnie : Thanks Tom
(17:59:41) Tracy Ruppman : Thanks!
(17:59:44) Cindy : Ok thanks for the meeting =)
(17:59:45) Ilene Frank : Thanks for th meeting, everyone! 
(17:59:46) AbbeyZenith : Marianne, wow! enjoy!
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(17:59:50) Galia : This is a great idea 
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(17:59:53) AbbeyZenith : See you all soon 
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(17:59:57) Thanks and happy holidays 
(17:59:57) Madra : Thanks All! Happy Holidays!
(17:59:57) Marianne Steadley : I will enjoy!
(18:00:01) Tracy Ruppman : Happy Holidays!
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(18:00:07) valibrarian : See you then. Happy Hoildays.
(18:00:08) Galia : Bye everyone 
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(18:00:11) Marianne Steadley : Happy HOlidays
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(18:00:31) Lori : thank you for organzingin Marianne 
(18:00:35) Tom Peters : Thanks, Marianne and Lori
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(18:00:39) Vienna James : ty Marianne!
(18:00:44) Marianne Steadley : or breakfast!
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(18:00:47) Vienna James : ty Tom & Lori!
(18:00:50) Vienna James : ni ni
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