Welcome Tom Peters 17:38:18 Meredith has joined the session 17:38:26 Dorothea has left the session 17:38:29 [Meredith] Looks good! 17:38:39 Michele has joined the session 17:38:46 [Tom Peters] yea, this should be another good one. 17:38:47 [Meredith] Hi Michele! 17:38:56 Dorothea has joined the session 17:39:05 [Dorothea] I heard you! 17:39:17 [Meredith] lol! 17:39:21 [Dorothea] sounds great here 17:39:39 [Dorothea] Meredith, are you introducing tonight? 17:39:43 [Meredith] Yeppers 17:39:49 [Dorothea] right-ho 17:40:10 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0002.htm 17:40:13 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0005.htm 17:40:16 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0004.htm 17:40:18 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0013.htm 17:40:23 [Dorothea] brb... have to help pill cat 17:40:31 [Meredith] looks good to me! 17:40:37 [Michele] javascript:GoToSld('slide0001.htm'); 17:40:37 [Michele] javascript:GoToSld('slide0001.htm'); 17:40:37 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0001.htm 17:42:01 [Dorothea] back 17:42:33 [Meredith] wow, that was a quick "pilling" 17:42:42 [Meredith] you must have fairly compliant cats 17:42:47 [Dorothea] two-person job ;) 17:42:50 [Meredith] :) 17:43:11 [Michele] Poor kitty. One of my cats needs a daily pill too. 17:43:32 [Meredith] do you put it in food or is the cat too smart for that? 17:43:35 [Dorothea] well, we've been using the Pill Pocket gizmos, but he's learned to eat the treat and spit out the pill, so... 17:43:46 [Meredith] omg! 17:44:03 [Dorothea] it's back to the Pill Popper until he gets good and sick of it 17:44:42 [Tom Peters] One of our dogs needs a daily pill. I try to hide it in her food, but she usually finds it and leaves it on her plate. 17:44:56 [Dorothea] critters... too smart for their own good sometimes 17:45:08 [Meredith] hmmm... dogs are usually easier to trick. I used to put pills for our dog in a nice big ball of chese. 17:45:21 [Tom Peters] mmmm, cheese! 17:45:31 [Meredith] yeah, what dog would refuse that? 17:47:20 [Meredith] Dorothea, do you want to check the auditorium around 7-ish just to see if there are any folks in there? I figure this should be the last time we need to do that 17:47:42 [Dorothea] hm, how do I do that from here? 17:47:51 [Dorothea] or do I have to hop off and hop in there? 17:48:12 [Meredith] thanks! 17:48:22 [Dorothea] awesome, thanks, Tom! 17:48:26 [Michele] I'm not planning on doing any live demos, but just in case, do I just type in a url to leave the slides? 17:48:34 [Dorothea] cool 17:48:57 [Meredith] I can imagine! 17:49:21 nancysmith has joined the session 17:49:51 [Dorothea] hi, Nancy! 17:50:15 [nancysmith] Hi! 17:50:23 [Meredith] co-browsing is so hard with password protected stuff 17:50:30 [Meredith] Hey Nancy! 17:50:45 [Dorothea] You could still do Bloglines, as long as the account has a public face. 17:51:12 [Dorothea] (I mean, you could browse it. Just not show off the interface.) 17:52:01 [Meredith] are you going to be at CIL, Tom? 17:52:14 [Tom Peters] yes, I plan to 17:52:20 [Meredith] yay! Should be a fun conference 17:52:32 [Tom Peters] Just checked...no one in the Auditorium 17:52:54 [Meredith] yeah, hopefully by now we won't have any of those issues 17:53:15 [Dorothea] where's all our peeps? :( 17:53:43 [Tom Peters] We're starting an hour earlier than usual, aren't we? 17:53:55 [Dorothea] was it 8 last time? I forget. 17:53:57 [Meredith] Nope, same time as usual. 17:54:06 [Tom Peters] mmmm 17:54:08 [Dorothea] brain = steel sieve 17:54:16 [Meredith] I've noticed a tendency for lateness with this group. Not seriously late. Just a few minutes. :) 17:54:25 [Tom Peters] Can't blame it on Daylight Saving Time 17:54:48 [Meredith] I just realized I have a 6 am flight the morning that the time changes 17:54:55 [Meredith] it's going to be brutal 17:54:55 [Dorothea] ugh 17:55:09 [Meredith] I just shouldn't bother sleeping 17:56:00 Rita Ennen has joined the session 17:56:10 [Dorothea] partyyyyyyyy! 17:56:17 [Dorothea] hi, Rita 17:56:18 [Tom Peters] Hi, Rita, we'll begin in about 5 mins. 17:56:22 carolmurphy has joined the session 17:56:29 [Dorothea] hi, Carol 17:56:35 [carolmurphy] Hi everyone 17:56:42 [Meredith] Hey Carol and Rita 17:56:43 bethtumbleson has joined the session 17:56:49 [Meredith] and beth 17:56:52 [Rita Ennen] Hellow 17:56:58 shireen has joined the session 17:57:24 [Tom Peters] Tonight's warm-up question: Does anyone need to administer pills to a pet? 17:57:34 [Dorothea] hee! 17:57:38 [Meredith] ...and do you have any tips? 17:58:02 [shireen] um, sorry i can't help out on that one, although i know a hollywood family that gives their dog prozac. not kidding 17:58:07 [carolmurphy] put it in a piece of cheese 17:58:10 hollyristau has joined the session 17:58:13 [Tom Peters] This could become the topic for the phantom 6th week to a social library (and a well pet) 17:58:15 [Dorothea] hi, Holly 17:58:18 [Meredith] all right! that was my tip, Carol! 17:58:26 [Meredith] Cheese is a can't lose proposition! 17:58:27 [Dorothea] I don't think there's any software for that! 17:58:30 josalyngpl has joined the session 17:58:32 [shireen] but i do have another question, related to the readings for this wk. i keep seeing the term API....what is this? 17:58:35 [carolmurphy] I do it all the time with my dogs and cat 17:58:40 [hollyristau] Hello! 17:58:43 Michelle has joined the session 17:58:45 [Dorothea] Shireen: it stands for application programming interface 17:59:03 [Meredith] Shireen, I'll write up a little something about it on the blog tomorrow, ok? 17:59:04 [Dorothea] it means a set of "hooks" that programmers leave in one program so that other programs can "talk" to it 17:59:04 karenbjork has joined the session 17:59:12 jillmarkgraf has joined the session 17:59:20 [shireen] ok, that's good to know and i'll look for more... 17:59:40 [Meredith] kind of like RSS, it's hard to explain in any concise manner 17:59:47 [Dorothea] out of curiosity, in what context did you see it? 17:59:51 luisrodas has joined the session 17:59:52 fredjahns has joined the session 18:00:35 [shireen] does it matter to the reader, or only to other programmers? for example, if we want to add content from another source, and it mentions API, does that affect our ability to add it to our websites and blogs? i don't remember where specifically but on some of the links we were given this wk... 18:00:40 [Dorothea] anybody in the Auditorium? 18:00:46 [Tom Peters] nope 18:00:50 [Tom Peters] just checked 18:01:21 [Dorothea] Shireen: it probably doesn't matter to you; what you'll see is something like "implements the XML-RPC API" or "implements the Blogger API" and you completely don't care about that 18:01:22 [Tom Peters] Someone named Candi was in the OPAL Atrium, however. 18:01:30 [Dorothea] I don't think we've got a Candi. 18:01:39 [Meredith] hmmm... we have a Candice 18:01:49 [Meredith] don't know if she goes by Candi 18:01:59 [Tom Peters] She already exited that room. 18:02:12 [Meredith] she's been in here before, so she'll find it. :) 18:02:37 tiahedmunsonmorton has joined the session 18:02:44 Janelle Jarboe has joined the session 18:02:56 Jini has joined the session 18:03:13 missyvandusen has joined the session 18:03:36 Amanda has joined the session 18:03:51 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0002.htm 18:04:03 [Dorothea] you sound fine so far, Michele 18:04:11 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0005.htm 18:04:54 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0004.htm 18:05:10 [Michelle] great metaphor, the newsstand 18:06:01 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0013.htm 18:06:50 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0010.htm 18:07:04 karenpardue has joined the session 18:07:41 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0018.htm 18:07:55 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0017.htm 18:08:22 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0019.htm 18:08:43 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0020.htm 18:09:16 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0008.htm 18:09:53 mjmurrey has joined the session 18:10:58 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0011.htm 18:11:06 Dorothea has left the session 18:11:17 RobinG has joined the session 18:11:27 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0021.htm 18:12:20 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0022.htm 18:12:51 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0009.htm 18:13:19 candicewatkins has joined the session 18:13:34 Dorothea has joined the session 18:14:02 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0012.htm 18:14:53 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0023.htm 18:15:18 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0024.htm 18:15:49 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0025.htm 18:16:54 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0026.htm 18:17:09 [Dorothea] ... assuming the feed provider provides full-text content; not all do 18:17:24 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0033.htm 18:17:39 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0034.htm 18:18:20 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0007.htm 18:19:18 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0032.htm 18:20:12 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0015.htm 18:20:35 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0027.htm 18:21:01 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0028.htm 18:21:42 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0029.htm 18:22:04 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0030.htm 18:22:25 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0031.htm 18:22:51 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0014.htm 18:23:32 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0016.htm 18:24:20 [Michele] http://www.opal-online.org/5weeksMizejewski_files/slide0003.htm 18:24:44 [shireen] just to clarify: the orange icon is just an indicator that feeds are available...you don't click on them to subscribe, right? 18:25:05 [Michelle] you can actually click on them 18:25:12 [jillmarkgraf] I apologize if you mentioned this and I missed it. What's the public vs. private option in bloglines? 18:25:14 [Tom Peters] http://infotrawler.com/rssintro http://infotrawler.com/rssintro 18:25:19 [Dorothea] what you'll want for purposes of subscribing is the feed URL 18:25:46 [Dorothea] Jill, "private" means that nobody but you knows you subscribed. Otherwise, people can see it in your feed list. 18:25:46 [karenpardue] Is RSS coding all done in XML? 18:26:05 [Dorothea] Karen: yes, all newsfeeds are XML, though there are several XML flavors 18:26:14 [karenpardue] Thanks, Dorothea 18:26:16 [shireen] i've never had success w/that...i usually just copy the url of the site i want a feed from,and then go to bloglines and paste it in...that seems to work... 18:26:16 [Dorothea] in general, though, the exact type of feed won't matter 18:26:19 [mjmurrey] the new books feeds would be info that someone in the library is entering on a blog or website? 18:26:50 [Dorothea] mjmurrey: that will vary... some libraries have jiggered their OPACs to provide the info 18:27:33 [jillmarkgraf] That's a relief! 18:27:56 [Dorothea] mjmurrey: you may be interested in AADL's Wall o' Books and how it was done: http://vielmetti.typepad.com/superpatron/2005/12/visual_wall_of_.html 18:28:11 [mjmurrey] I'll take a look. Thanks. 18:29:33 [Dorothea] Anybody know if any ALA journals have newsfeeds? 18:29:42 [Janelle Jarboe] good question!! 18:29:53 [Michelle] I do not think they do 18:29:58 [karenpardue] does ala direct newsletter have it maybe? 18:30:05 missyvandusen has left the session 18:30:06 [Dorothea] ooh, that could be 18:30:07 [Michelle] i believe they are working on them 18:30:20 [karenpardue] i love that newsletter 18:30:21 [Janelle Jarboe] techsource? 18:30:36 [Tom Peters] yes, the TechSource blog has an RSS feed. 18:30:40 [RobinG] When you search for blogs in Bloglines, is it looking for your search terms just in individual posts? So it may just be one post that fits your topic? 18:30:45 [Dorothea] yes, most wikis have "change feeds" so you can track what's happened on them 18:30:57 [Dorothea] good question, Robin 18:31:44 [Meredith] yeah, citations, which are places where that blog was mentioned 18:31:54 [shireen] do you think bloglines is a better blog searcher than technorati? i'm just getting into searching for the "best blogs"....also, does anyone know about "best of" lists for blogs? 18:31:58 [RobinG] That sounds helpful. 18:32:02 [jillmarkgraf] If you create a blog that you want people to find, do you have to submit it to Technorati or bloglines or whatever? 18:32:46 [Dorothea] Jill: it can't hurt... but Bloglines knows about your blog as soon as somebody subscribes to it, so that's the fast way ;) 18:33:22 [Dorothea] like yours, Meredith ;) 18:33:38 [Dorothea] I meant big, popular, and highly-subscribed-to 18:34:02 [fredjahns] i agree, i find it helpful to check out blog's blogrolls 18:34:04 [Dorothea] Some places do blog roundups, too. 18:34:15 [Janelle Jarboe] what is a blog roundup? 18:34:16 [Dorothea] There's http://twil.lisnews.org/ for instance. 18:34:21 [Michele] http://bloglines.com/ 18:34:32 [Michele] http://www.bloglines.com/search 18:34:36 [Michele] http://www.bloglines.com/myblogs 18:34:36 [Michele] http://www.bloglines.com/myblogs_subs?date=1172018084 18:34:36 [Michele] http://www.bloglines.com/info/myfeeds 18:34:39 [Dorothea] Just a "what's going on in the blogs lately" thing. 18:34:48 [Janelle Jarboe] ahhh... makes sense. thanks 18:34:54 [Michele] http://www.bloglines.com/topblogs 18:35:02 [Michele] http://www.bloglines.com/info/myfeeds 18:35:03 [Michele] http://www.bloglines.com/topblogs 18:35:06 [Dorothea] twil = "this week in library blogland" 18:35:08 [Meredith] I know LISNews this year and last year did a Top 10 blogs (not mentioning the same one twice). 18:35:15 [Michele] http://www.bloglines.com/subbundles 18:35:29 [Dorothea] and SOMEBODY I could name was on this year's list, I believe ;) 18:35:42 [Meredith] huh! I've never noticed this! 18:35:51 [Tom Peters] Critical thinker, followed by Crocheter! 18:36:17 [Dorothea] strange blogfellows 18:36:23 [shireen] a lot of geeks are feed readers, it looks like... 18:36:28 [Meredith] Michele, are you using RSS at your library? 18:36:36 [Dorothea] yes, feedreading started in the geek community 18:36:45 [Dorothea] before there were easy-to-use feedreaders like Bloglines 18:37:15 [hollyristau] How does one make a blogroll and how do you recognize one on a blog? 18:37:17 [Janelle Jarboe] is there a site to help with feed to js? 18:37:28 [Janelle Jarboe] or sites... 18:37:41 [shireen] you stick a blog on a roll. add mustard 18:37:45 [Janelle Jarboe] lol 18:37:49 [Meredith] lol! 18:37:49 [mjmurrey] yum 18:37:54 [Janelle Jarboe] I like mine with sauer kraut 18:38:08 [Dorothea] in WordPress, it's Manage/Links, I believe 18:38:11 [jillmarkgraf] or you push your blog down a hill 18:38:17 [Janelle Jarboe] lol 18:38:18 [shireen] lol 18:38:23 [Dorothea] there are also services to make and track them; http://blogrolling.com/ 18:38:53 [Tom Peters] An x-games winter sport 18:38:59 [Dorothea] a list of links with rather odd names ;) 18:39:53 [Janelle Jarboe] ok 18:39:55 [josalyngpl] since you are essenically copying xml code from a site. Is there anyway someone could adjust this code to personalize it? 18:40:05 [karenpardue] I like that! a javascipt generator 18:40:44 [Dorothea] Well, most of the gizmos that let you reuse feeds give you some options (title only, title+description, full text). 18:40:46 [josalyngpl] ok 18:40:55 [Meredith] yes, you can even create your own RSS feed by hand. A bit more complicated though 18:41:00 [Meredith] not something I know how to do 18:41:04 [Dorothea] But certainly if you like playing with XML, you can grab up a feed and mash it up in strange and wonderful ways. 18:41:19 [Janelle Jarboe] that's making me hungry 18:41:20 [Janelle Jarboe] lol 18:41:45 [Meredith] totally! 18:41:53 [Dorothea] Michele, can you speak a little bit about copyright issues relating to the reuse of feeds? 18:41:57 [karenpardue] happy hour in mountain time 18:42:05 [Dorothea] (or even contract issues, in the case of vendor-provided feeds) 18:42:09 [josalyngpl] yes that is what i was thinking 18:42:11 [bethtumbleson] Do .gov sites usually supply feeds? 18:43:05 Alisia has joined the session 18:43:07 candicewatkins has left the session 18:43:47 Rita Ennen has left the session 18:44:46 [Dorothea] Beth: http://rssgov.com/ 18:45:10 [bethtumbleson] Thanks 18:45:24 shireen has left the session 18:45:25 [Dorothea] took me a little while to remember where that was ;) 18:45:49 [josalyngpl] yeah - how is it possible to subscribe to a feed that lists journal entries / database info.? If say you do not attend the university or have a library card? 18:46:32 [Dorothea] Josalyn: it's pretty hard to password-protect an RSS feed, so if you see one, you can almost certainly subscribe to it 18:46:41 [Dorothea] this is why most vendors put out just TOCs as feeds 18:47:04 [karenpardue] That is my favorite way to use RSS, to keep up to date on TOCs 18:47:14 [Meredith] EBSCO does too 18:47:17 [Dorothea] Ingenta does TOC feeds. 18:47:27 [josalyngpl] I see.. thanks :) 18:48:17 [Janelle Jarboe] post simple directions? 18:48:25 [karenpardue] We try to do fac/staff workshops on these technologies 18:48:30 [Dorothea] most of the folks I know who have had success have simply set up Bloglines for the target person! 18:48:33 [josalyngpl] I think Bloglines is a great way to get patrons/staff hooked and easy to grasp. 18:48:52 [Alisia] I have seen an interesting application (at LITA, maybe someone remembers) of the library pushing rss feeds into user web portals. 18:48:59 [Dorothea] yes, Alisia 18:49:37 [Alisia] That would be wonderful for liaising... 18:49:38 [karenpardue] I like that 18:49:45 [josalyngpl] that sounds great Meredith 18:49:46 [jillmarkgraf] I think the idea of embedding RSS into places they already go is genius 18:50:17 [Michelle] i wish we could get RSS in WebCT 18:50:18 [Dorothea] you could even promote that as a library service "customized news pages!" 18:50:32 [Dorothea] can WebCT not handle a feed2JS thing? 18:50:33 [Dorothea] jinx 18:50:38 [Meredith] hah! 18:50:49 [Michelle] no but have to convince a faculty member to let me first! 18:50:57 [Meredith] lol 18:51:07 [karenpardue] I do, but it is tricky for these things 18:51:12 [Meredith] it definitely does work, technically. I guess the faculty is the barrier 18:51:12 [jillmarkgraf] I did the feed2js in D2L 18:51:23 [karenpardue] I have difficulty even linking out to our databases 18:51:34 [Alisia] I'm sorry...fill me in. Feed2js? 18:51:34 [Meredith] Ah! That's great that it works in Desire 2 LEarn too! 18:51:53 Amanda has left the session 18:52:05 [RobinG] Same as Alisia's question! :) 18:52:11 [jillmarkgraf] Feed2js is that automatic javascript generator. It's so easy even I could do it! 18:52:18 [Dorothea] http://feed2js.org/ 18:52:24 [Alisia] a ha, yes that makes sense. Thanks! 18:52:50 [Meredith] but is dynamically updated when you update the RSS feed 18:53:05 [Dorothea] also see "Looking for the Right RSS Mixer" off the Week 2 page 18:53:07 [josalyngpl] I wonder spam will ever find its way into things like Bloglines etc.? 18:53:10 [Dorothea] feed2js isn't the only game in town ;) 18:53:15 [RobinG] Is this similar to the widget we talked about in chat? 18:53:39 [Michelle] josalyn, yes RSS can be hacked tho it does not happen very often 18:54:05 [Dorothea] well, since most RSS feeds are coming from controlled environments like blogs, it's harder to inject spam 18:54:09 [Meredith] Robin, it's similar in the fact that it generates RSS that you can stick on your site. 18:54:12 [Dorothea] the place to worry about spam is comment feeds 18:54:15 [Meredith] but it just creates something different 18:54:21 [Meredith] oops! I mean JavaScript, Robin. 18:54:26 [RobinG] Thanks, Meredith--my question wasn't very clear. 18:54:39 [carolmurphy] that sounds like something I sould like to try at my public library 18:54:54 [Dorothea] Melissa Rethlefsen's screencast goes into feed reuse and remixing. 18:54:56 [mjmurrey] gotta go, thanks, bye 18:55:03 mjmurrey has left the session 18:55:47 [karenpardue] Thanks so much--great presentation! 18:55:53 [hollyristau] Nope, THANKS! 18:55:56 [jillmarkgraf] Another great session. Thanks! 18:56:05 [nancysmith] Thanks, Michele! 18:56:06 [Janelle Jarboe] thank you michele :) 18:56:07 [Michelle] *claps loudly* 18:56:09 [RobinG] Thanks for a very helpful presentation. 18:56:12 [josalyngpl] Yes, thanks!! Fantastic job!! 18:56:12 [bethtumbleson] Very helpful, thanks so much. 18:56:13 [Alisia] Thanks! 18:56:20 [tiahedmunsonmorton] Thanks! 18:56:20 RobinG has left the session 18:56:24 tiahedmunsonmorton has left the session 18:56:27 fredjahns has left the session 18:56:29 nancysmith has left the session 18:56:29 [Tom Peters] Thanks! 18:56:33 jillmarkgraf has left the session 18:56:33 hollyristau has left the session 18:56:34 karenbjork has left the session 18:56:36 Alisia has left the session 18:56:37 bethtumbleson has left the session 18:56:39 [Tom Peters] I'll add this to the OPAL archive soon. 18:56:40 luisrodas has left the session 18:56:44 Janelle Jarboe has left the session 18:56:44 [Tom Peters] www.opal-online.org 18:56:44 [Meredith] Thanks Tom! 18:56:47 [carolmurphy] thanks for your help. it is a lot to think about 18:56:49 Jini has left the session 18:56:55 [carolmurphy] good night 18:56:56 karenpardue has left the session 18:57:01 carolmurphy has left the session 18:57:02 [Michele] Thanks Tom, Meredith and Dorothea! 18:57:07 [Meredith] to me, this is the toughest thing to explain as far as social software goes 18:57:08 [Michelle] it was great 18:57:14 [Meredith] you did a great job! 18:57:20 [Dorothea] yep, definitely difficult, but worth it 18:57:23 [Michele] Thanks! 18:57:24 josalyngpl has left the session 18:57:28 [Michelle] i really liked the news stand metaphor, can I steal it for a class? 18:57:33 [Meredith] yeah, I loved that too! 18:57:34 [Michele] Sure... 18:57:37 [Dorothea] now I prescribe hot tea with lemon and honey :) 18:57:38 [Meredith] never thought of it that way 18:57:40 [Michelle] it suddenly made so much sense